— Jody Criman

Here's the thing, Jody and everyone, a vegan dessert shouldn't taste vegan. And in my opinion, it she shouldn't say, oh look, we're having a vegan dessert tonight. Or, look, this dessert is vegan because something's gonna happen in people's head and they're gonna think it's not good. So a vegan dessert should be unapologetically delicious. It should not taste any different from a good traditional dessert. And I've had some butter sugar, egg traditional desserts that didn't taste good. Jody, what I would do is I would think about something that's familiar. So when I talk about my blackout cake, it's a chocolate cake that's filled in frosted with chocolate pudding. Most people like chocolate, most people like chocolate pudding. It's familiar to them. So pick something that's familiar.