How would one use fresh yeast in this recipe? That's what I normally use for pizza dough, but without sugar.

Is there any way you can replace the Semolina and Bread flour with just regular flour?

Is it possible to use active dry yeast instead of the instant dry yeast used in this recipe? Thats all I have on hand right now.

It is possible to use active dry yeast...just let it dissolve before continuing on with the recipe. Technically the "instant dry yeast" we used did not have to be dissolved first in the water. It could have been added directly to the flour. However, "active dry yeast" does need to be dissolved first in lukewarm water. Good Luck! Wish I was having this right now!

I made this recipe tonight and it turned out wonderful and delicious! Thanks so much.

I've finished the first part of this recipe; the dough is now half resting in the fridge and the other half sitting in the freezer for another day. A few things I learned: 1. Houston, where I live, is amazingly humid. (Recently, a friend told me that he knew he was in the South when he stepped off the plane and the humidity punched him hard in the face and stole his wallet.) Plus, it doesn't help that Hurricane Dolly is off the Gulf coast not too far south from here. The dough became VERY wet and sticky during kneading, and I had to add a bit of flour to the work surface, a wooden cutting board, to keep it from grabbing and sticking to the board. I realise you added no flour to knead, and kneaded on a metal work table, so I attribute the difference to the ambient moisture or change in flour characteristics? 2. I watched the recipe about 10 times over the last couple of days before making it. I don't have the computer in the kitchen, so I'm without the video when it comes time to actually work. In the printed recipe, it says to add half the flour, then add the remaining flour and salt, without the "stir to combine" in the middle. Didn't hurt anything, I don't think, but it did confuse me in the paper copy. 3. Any opinion on using a stand mixer for this? I know it's not a long time to be kneading, and the dough is very soft, but it's already late here and I'm curious to know if I can fall back on a stand mixer with a dough hook. I guess I'll have to make a few batches to compare. Excellent! - Mike

Delicious!!! and really easy!!! i made this pizza dough last night and we love it at home :) Im also really entusiast, happy and satisfy with the cooking school. Im learning a lot of new things and improving others :) I really appreciate the quality from all your videos, these make it delicious to learn from you! Admiring your effort!, Juliana

I have now made this twice in the last 2 weeks, since reading your comment Juliana. I must say, I do love having the dough around, to have pizza whenever we feel like it. Once the dough is made it takes me less than 20 minutes to have a pizza ready....that's quicker than take-out. Lately I have been into the simple pizzas - tomato sauce, fresh mozzarella and basil...finished with a drizzle of e.v.olive oil. As for the cooking school, and your praise...well, thanks a lot! Much appreciated. Keep up the hard work! dawn

I heard that the best way to know when the dough is kneaded enough is to use the window something test , you take a small piece of the dough and stretch it is if you were making a small pizza if you were able to make it very thin in a way that you can see your fingers behind it then it's ready. Is this a good method or would you actually over kneed the dought ?

I am about to invest in my first pizza stone and am wondering if there are any "favourites" out there? Secondly, can you tell me a good place in North, West or DT Vancouver to pick one up? Cheers!

I have had 3 pizza stones in the last year. Something about the high heat and the fact that I forget to soak it all of the time, makes them crack. I have now switched to a perforated aluminum pizza tray instead. They are only about $15 dollars and it will last forever (well almost). That being said, I did like my pizza stones, so I guess as long as you soak them and then preheat them in the oven you should be okay. You can find them at most kitchen stores. I have bought them at linen n' things, the bay, and local kitchen stores. Hope this helps! I will let you know how the perforated tray goes the next time I make pizza.

Hi, I would like to know if the amount of water and sugar use for this recipe change at all if you use instant dry yeast instead of active dry yeast. And when using active dry yeast, is it correct to take the water to dissolve the yeast from the 1 1/4 cups lukewarm water needed for this recipe or do I need to use the complete amount of water mentioned in the recipe, plus the water I need to disolve the yeast? Just wanting to know if I'm accurate :), thanks!

Active or instant can be used - the water and sugar would be the same for both. If using active just let it dissolve first in the water. And if I am understanding your question - you do just need to use the amount of water in the recipe to dissolve the yeast (no additional water should be used just for dissolving the yeast). Does that make sense? Hope this helps! Funny I just made this the other day. We had a delicious pizza yesterday for lunch. I used half regular mozzarella and half smoked and topped it with a bit of spicy salami...yum!

Good to know, I just wanted to be sure when sharing the recipe. Thanks! :) I prepared this on mom's day. My mother in law just love it ;)

No nonsense and delicious! I will never buy pre-made dough again...

I suppose, after a year and change (oops!), I should point out that the pizza came out spectacularly. (No, it didn't rise for a year. I made it a few days later.) And yes, I do it entirely by hand now, which gives me much more control. I've given the printout of this recipe to an able cook and friend of mine, whose family now insists on having pizza with this dough at least once or twice per week. Home run! Keep up the excellent work, Mike

Why do you use cornmeal on the peel rather than semolina?

I'm big on my time-saving efficiencies and would like to make some dough to use, and some to freeze for later. Where in the process should I stop with the dough I'm going to freeze; Do I let it rise, then freeze it, or freeze it without letting it rise? Do I need to let it re-rise after refrigeration?

Good question...you should freeze it before it rises. After you knead the dough, divide it up and then store it in individual freezer bags. Then when you want pizza, remove it from the freezer the night before and let it rise in the refrigerator. Then about an hour before you make the pizza, take the dough out and let it come to room temperature...making it easier to roll out. Happy Pizza Making!

I have been making mozzarella cheese lately and use the leftover whey from the cheese making in place of water when I make pizza dough. It has consistently made the best dough I have tasted yet. I believe you can buy whey in some health food stores, but it is easy to make mozerrella. I freeze the whey in measured portions and defrost it when I am ready to make pizza. Also: I have a question about feezing dough. I read many years ago freezing dough actually improves its texture. Is this true? Thanks, Michelle G

Will using a Kitchen Aid stand mixer and dough hook produce the same quality dough as hand neading it?

You can use the mixer to start the dough (until it comes together), but you will likely need to knead it a bit more by hand.

if I only use bread flour do I use the same measuremnets as using flour and semolina flour?

We tried making dough last night for tonight's dinner. When I took it out of the fridge 24 hours later, it had risen but there were areas that were bright white in color and the dough had a slight beer-like smell. Did we hold the dough for too long in the fridge? Is this dough unsafe for consumption?

It should be fine to eat Aaron, no worries...the beer smell is from the yeast. In fact yeast is part of the process when making beer. Cheers!

I could not find semolina in our local Sobey's - in fact, I have never heard of semolina flour - on your video it look like corn flour? I made the dough with Robin Hood flour for bread. The pizza dough came out just fine and we bought a pizza stone to make the pizza - the results were quite delicious - I loved the thin crisp crust.

I followed the recipe exactly (using volume measurements though) and the dough came out very brittle; it has NO elasticity at all, if I try to stretch it it breaks. What could be wrong? I used bread flour (graded 650, I don't know if that makes sense to you as I'm not in the US, but it's the flour I use very succesfully for no-knead bread). Thanks.

Me again. I've researched this a bit and it seems that there are two different things out there: semolina and semolina flour. In italian, they are called "farina din grano duro" or "semola di grano duro" for the flour and semolino, for the other thing. I am pretty sure I used semolina and this is why it came out so brittle. Also, in more than one hour it didn't rise AT ALL. Can you maybe clarify the difference between the two, if ther is one? Thanks.

When I couldn't find Semonlina, I used Robin Hood best for bread flour - Homestyle White. Since I live in Ontario, all our flour is Canadian and probably comes from Durham or hard wheat. I usually use All Purpose Flour but wanted the pizza dough to come out, so bough the Bread flour - it came out fine.

If anyone lives near Ann Arbor, MI...Zingerman's Bake Shop sells semolina flour. Also, check with any restaurant that makes their own pasta or an Italian bakery. They should be willing to sell you a pound or two...or at least tell you where they purchase it.

Kimberly, thanks a lot for the answer. I reached the same conclusion as you: the yeast must have been quite old. It took the dough half a day to even smell like dough, and no rise at all! It was indeed 2 years past its expiration date... I had bought a lot of yeast two years ago when I started to bake no-knead bread. I guess I have to make a trip to the store and get a kitchen scale while I'm there; it was on the list anyway. Regarding semolina vs. semolina flour, I'm pretty sure I used semolina, which is just a flour with a coarser ground after all, but I don't think that would have been a problem if the yeast was good. I'm happy to report that the yeast was not totally dead though ; I made pan-fried indian breads from this dough, to serve with the almond-coriander chicken curry (loved the recipe!) and they were excellent, (brushed with a little ghee)! Thanks a lot for the great videos and a great website. I am already learning a lot. I can't wait for more stuff on baking as this where I am the weakest.

Store your yeast in the refrigerator or freezer.

Thing is that I've been using it all this time with good results; I baked a no-knead bread just a couple of weeks ago and it was fine; probably the long fermentation time made up for the weak yeast. I came to this "belief" that yeast actually never expires ;) which is obviously wrong. I will definitely buy a scale too, I think it is one of this things that takes you to the next level.

I have gotten much better results with the pizza dough if I let the yeast, sugar, water combo proof for about 10-15 minutes. Am I just using the wrong type of yeast? BTW, I lived in Italy for 3 years and have missed the pizza of Napoli so much. This is the closest I have come including any/all restaurants that I have tried. Now I just wished I had a true Italian pizza oven

So I get to combine my two favourite things - cooking and reading! In John Irving's latest novel - Last Night in Twisted River - his fictional cook is famous for his pizza - Dominic adds honey to the recipe and he also lets the dough double rise. If I wanted to try this, would I substitute the honey for the sugar? or add it in addition to? Does double rising make a better dough? Also the recipe specifies sea salt - is it really better? Great novel by the way - lots of great Italian recipes described in the novel!

To answer your questions - The honey would be added instead of the sugar. Sugar or honey are often added to doughs, as yeast feeds (and loves) the sugar. The double rise (or double conditioning) is likely a good step (not sure of the recipe, but here are a few reasons they might do it). During the fermentation process or the double rise, the yeast releases carbon dioxide, enzymes, alcohol and acids. Theses enzymes strengthens the protein (or gluten), which gives the dough more stability during final rise (or proof). These enzymes also help to mellow out the dough which can make it more pliable (making it a bit easier to shape). The extra rise can also have a softening effect on the dough, Which can make for a softer dough once baked. Another reason why the double rise might be used is because it might give the dough more time to rise and the longer rise the more flavor will be developed. I say give it a try and let us know how it turned out Yes, sea salt is better than table salt. For more on salts watch the lesson on How to Season with Salt, Topic 2 talks about types of salt. Thanks for the tip on the novel, I am always a fan of books that somehow incorporate food into them. It has also been years since I read a John Irving novel. Thanks for the recommendation!

it is possible to put eggs in to the dough??for me this has no logic,,,,,,,,,,,what do you think??

Hey all! I made a simple pepperoni and cheese pizza using this dough recipe- it was superb. Spicy pepperoni, mozzarella cheese, oregano, basil, tomato sauce, little olive oil- yum! I have tried some really great pizzas out there but this was a treat. The dough was very, very sticky at first when I began kneading, and after it had rested overnight, but it still cooperated with a bit of extra flour and more kneading/beating with a rolling pin. This is the first time I've ever used sea salt, handled fresh dough, and baked a pizza made from scratch like this. I learned a lot, and realized that working with dough isn't as difficult as I thought it would be. I'm definitely going to be doing it again- and soon! Thanks so much for the recipe and lessons!

Hi, I've done the dough as instructed but my problem was transfer to oven. I've put some semoline on the wooden plank, since I have nothing else to do it with, and put my rolled dough on the plank. But wghen I finished with putting ham and cheese on the dough, it would stick to the surface and I'm unable to succesfully transfer it to heated baking tray (no stone unfortunatelly). So should I bake my dough in flour and then put it on semolina, or should I have used corn flour instead? either way it was good.. I was left with half a dough so I can try again today :)

well it helped, thanks.. my wife says she don't like it that much due to sweet flavor of the semolina..:( She likes simple lean dough for pizza better.. also, I cannot shape the dough that good, it is either too thin or too fat. It sticks to my hands when shaping, I guess more flour is in order :)

Become good at shaping pizza dough really just comes down to practice. The more you practice the better you will get. Also, if you don't like the sweet taste of the semolina you could try cornmeal or flour instead. Cheers!

Rouxbe, I've tried this a few times, and I don't feel good about the kneading. I just can't get it smooth. I do what I think looks like the video, but it's almost like certain parts knead better than others, and that I get a stretchy outside and a gooey inside. Also, I feel like it separates and when I do fold it over itself and roll it out that I'm creating layers (2 or 3) until it starts to split. I could use any clues here. Thanks.

I used to use the cornmeal, but I have found that making the pizza on a piece of parchment paper and moving the dough with the paper underneath to the peel and stone is much easier and cleaner.

Yes you should knead by hand as this is a great way to become familiar with the dough and how it works. You can use a dough hook of a sturdy stand mixer; however you will never understand what to look for and the feeling of well-kneaded dough. Keep practicing and kneading, I am sure you will get the hang of it. Stretch, turn, fold and repeat. Cheers!

I decided to make pizza, although I never made any pastry. Never ever. Thought I would make something that will resemble a pizza, as it's my first time. Don't have pizza stone, so I used heavy bottom iron pan/skillet. Made the dough, and made pizza with some basic ingredients I had in fridge. When I took that first bite, I was left speechless. Taste and mouth-feel were f*****g unbelievable! I couldn't believe I made such great pizza from scratch. Such an eye opener. I'd kiss you all, Rouxbe team!

Total resting time will be around 4 hours once I take it out of the refrigerator. Is that correct? Is the difference in flavor that noticeable when you put it in the refrigerator? Also will the dough be easier to work with if I put it in the refrigerator? Thanks Can't wait to try this. I have had some serious problems trying to make my own pizza dough. This looks simple enough.

This is my first failure since starting the school.My dough did not rise in the refrig. last night.My yeast I bought expires jun 11,what did I do wrong?This is my first experience with yeast,it kind of scares me.

My daughter and I made my 2nd pizza tonight and loved it. The crust was delicious and just the right consistency. We topped it with torn tomatoes (drained), mozzarella blobs, fresh basil, red onion, green bell peppers (small amts. of each) and topped it with fontina cheese grated. We got the dough kind of thin and forgot the cornmeal on the peel so had a problem getting it onto the stone in the oven, but it turned out great anyway. Earlier, my 1st pizza ever was tomato, mozzarella and fontina. For both pizzas we forgot the garlic so I'm looking forward to #3 with garlic. We're quite pleased with the efforts and looking forward to future pizzas!

Any lessons on tossing pizza dough?? I've tried this many times, but I can't find the right technique. There has to be some secrets.

This is not really something that we have in our pipe line, at least not at this stage but I know there are many videos on youtube about this. Cheers!

Way too bad. What a great video this would make. And, it is the best way to create a great even crust without working the dough too much. I know you can find some great pizza dough tossers! A great family event. Well, something to think about. Thanks for your help.

Is it possible to make the dough into pizza pies and then freeze it? Just taking it out. Putting the filling on it, and put in the oven. Fast food style.

I love Napoles style pizza. What should I do to achieve a result like this: http://colunistas.ig.com.br/comidinhas/files/2009/08/casteloes.jpg

Thanks Kimberley. For a thicker dough, like the one shown in the link I mentioned, should i just adjust the streching step?

Dawn. Earlier in this thread you stated that you had broken 3 pizza stones in the last year. http://rouxbe.com/community/forums/12/topics/150?page=1#3023 You also attributed it the fact that sometimes you forget to soak the stone. This truly surprises me, for two reasons. 1. I have used a baking stone for years, to the point where it has become a gorgeous dark brown color, smooth and obviously well seasoned. I bought it from Pampered Chef, it was expensive.. but it has lasted, and I do a lot more than just bake pizza on it. 2. In all that time, I have never soaked the stone in water. I will rinse and scrape it to clean (no soap), but otherwise, it is always dry when it goes in the oven. 3. I've also never preheated the stone. Probably not a bad idea, I've just never done it. I stick whatever it is I am baking directly on a dry, room temperature stone and then into the pre-heated oven. I've never been disappointed. I have no idea what is contributing to you pizza stones cracking, but a "pizza stone" should certainly be able to withstand pizza baking temperatures! I'd look for a different brand. Pampered chef round stoneware now has handles on it.. (which I dislike) but their stoneware is great, and it is guaranteed not to crack. PS. My stoneware sits in storage right now. It is one thing I truly miss while we are away from home.

um.. that would be three (3) reasons! :) Sorry!

Thanks for the heads up on the pizza stone Leigh - much appreciated. I do have a new one (from William and Sonoma) so lets see how that ones goes. I have only used it once since I bought it but so far so good :-) Cheers!

Hi. Can I store the dough after it has risen to use it in the next day?

I used the exact measurements in this recipe and the dough was dry. When I took it out of the bowl there was about 1/8 cup of flour left at the bottom. It was dry so I added some water while kneading. I added less than 1/4 cup water but I don't know how moist the dough should be. It seems a little tough. Will it become more moist after rising? Did I do something wrong?

My apologies, I should have gave more info. I used King Arthur unbleached bread flour and Red Mill Semolina. I used dry measuring cups for dry ingredients and wet for wet. I did not sift the flours prior to measuring or mixing. I used 1/4 cup water to dissolve the yeast then added it to the 1 cup for a total of 1 1/4 cup water. Could it be the flours were too compact? Seems obvious I know. I took care when measuring.

Hi. I can't find bread flour in my area. If I need to use all purpose flour, should I increase the amount of flour to add more gluten to the recipe? I found a "gluten flour"; can I use it to achive the expected amount of gluten? Thanks in advance.

I've been making grilled pizza this summer and they have been delicious and fun. I add finely chopped fresh herbs from my garden - basil and rosemary - to the dough which give it a pretty green speckled look and, of course, a lot of extra flavor.

Hey everyone, try using triple 0 flour, what a difference, the dough becomes nice thin crust and soft on the inside and crispy on the outside, great for the grill also

I just ran across this blog and saw the issue of the pizza stone cracking. I have never had a problem with my stone cracking and I have had it for years. It was bought at a discount store, too. The instructions were simple, though. Place the stone in a cold oven and preheat the oven. It is the sudden temperatures that will crack the stone. When you place your pizza on the stone, the heat of the stone will assist browning of the crust. That's the whole reasoning for using the stone. When the pizza comes out, I let the stone cool in the oven. I remove it when it is cool. My stone is a beautiful brown color and is well seasoned. I never wash it. I simply scrape it and brush it off.

For some reason I think I might just be cursed when it comes to pizza stones :-) I say this because I do everything that you say, yet I have still had 3 crack on me. My current stone I have had for a bit now so we'll see how that goes. Cheers!

Obviously some varying opinions, so I went straight to Pampered Chef and got their recommendations which I have reprinted here. Note that they recommend to NOT preheat the stone. I also suspect that soaking your stone prior to using contributed to your cracking, as all that moisture would cause uneven heating.. Stoneware Use and Care * Hand wash only; wash prior to first use. Remove excess food with scraper. It is not recommended to use soap, detergent or an automatic dishwasher. Not dishwasher-safe. * Stoneware will naturally season and develop a natural nonstick surface over time with use. * Slight sticking may occur for the first several uses. For best results, bake high-fat foods (e.g., refrigerated biscuits) or lightly brush with cooking oil for the first several uses. Aerosol nonstick spray is not recommended; it will create a sticky residue which is difficult to clean. * Stoneware can be used in conventional, convection and microwave ovens, and is freezer safe. Stoneware is heat-resistant to 450°F (230°C). Do not use Stoneware under broiler or on direct heat source. Follow oven manufacturer's guidelines. Tips * Prevent breakage from thermal shock by avoiding extreme temperature changes. * Do not preheat stone. * At least two-thirds of Stoneware surface should be covered with food to avoid thermal shock. Always evenly distribute food over Stoneware surface; avoid clustering foods. * Do not place dense, frozen food items (chicken breasts, pot pies, roasts or chops) on Stoneware. Always thaw dense, frozen food in refrigerator prior to baking. * Foods refrigerated in Stoneware may be placed directly in a preheated oven. * Do not place any other pan or rack on top of Stoneware while baking. * Follow recipe temperature and baking time when using Stoneware. Short bake times (under 12 minutes) may need an additional 1-2 minutes. Safeguards * Hot Stoneware can cause burns if handled improperly. Always use a heat-resistant oven mitt or pad when handling hot Stoneware or placing on surfaces. * Stoneware may scratch surfaces if moved or dragged. To protect surfaces, use protective barrier between Stoneware and surface. * Avoid extreme temperature changes. Always allow Stoneware to cool to room temperature prior to adding liquid or cleaning. Do not use chipped or damaged Stoneware. * Stoneware can break if bumped or dropped. If this occurs, use caution as broken pieces can be sharp and could cause injury. * Stoneware should not touch sides of oven or oven door when closed.

Funny, but mine said to put it in a cold oven and turn the oven on. They said to put it in a hot oven would cause it to crack. I've followed that instruction and have never had a problem. Of course, I didn't spend what you must have to buy my stone, since you bought from Pampered Chef. I guess the advice is to follow the manufacturer's instructions on the use of your stone.

I had a couple of questions. What does the semolina do? How can I tell whether the flour is bleached? In the uk supermarkets, it doesn't seem to say and usually the only listed ingredients are wheat flour! I couldnt find semolina flour anywhere so just added more bread flour (12.8% protein). may have used too much as I felt the pizza was more like the type you get in frozen pizzas (hard round the edges and a bit too bready in the middle). Would a pizza stone get rid of the hard edges ?

Hi, I have some difficulty to dev the gluten, I tried several bread flour, and knead for at least 15-20 mn, But the Dough still not smooth, its smoother than the start but not like the video. Is it the result of adding olive oil ? Or the need to test more flour ? Thank you again, Regards,

I tried the dough recipe and let if rise over night in the fridge with pretty good success, however I tried to pre-heat my pizza stone at 450 deg F, and my stone turned a dark brown colour and began filling my kitchen with a tone of smoke. Am I missing something with regards to using a pizza stone? I saw that Dawn said she soaks her's prior to using it in an earlier comment. I didn't do this, could this have been my problem? or is my pizza stone just not suited for that high of temperature possibly? I know longer had the instructions and it had been well over a year since I used it last. At one point a small circle of oil seeped out of the center of the stone once the oven was hot enough and I assume this is what was causing the smoke. As well, does anyone have any reccomended cooking temperatures for there pizzas? Ive seen on TV that most people try to cook them quickly on high heat (sometimes 500 deg F) I assume to get the cheese to a brown up faster. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Mark

Thanks Kimberly, Yes I put the stone into the oven stone cold, and then heated it directly to 450, so I will try and slowly heat it next time and see what happens. I didn't realize you had to slowly heat a pizza stone to the desired temp. Thanks Mark

I appreciate the comment on when to rise the dough for freezing. that is don't rise it before freezing it said. Does the same apply to refrigerated dough? Should you rise and then put in the fridge or just put in fridge after you pull it out (understand that you need to bring it to room temperature again even if you already rose it. We are only 2 in our household, so I am wondering if we can make on pizza and then store the other in the fridge to make the next day or two. To do so, when do we rise the bread? thanks

I have read that the active dry yeast requires a double rise, and the instant does not. The basic dough recipe uses instant dough and I would prefer to use active, but wonder whether a second rise is needed. Also, do you have any comments on what the double rise refers to? I seem to recall "punching down the dough" in previous times. Thanks for any insight here.

I have had great success with this recipe, So I had frozen some of the dough, When I went to use it, I must of done something wrong when I thawed it and it stuck to my pizza peel...... So I folded it over and called it a Stromboli instead, It was fantastic!

Hello, How long is too long in the refrigerator ? Can I keep it there for 3 or 4 days ? & Can I bake just the dough for later use? I am trying to figure out how to make a lot of pizzas in a short amount of time(feeding a large crowd). Thanks for the help!

I was wondering; after the dough rises overnight and is divided into smaller portions, how long does it have to rest before using? Thanks

As per Step 1 of the recipe "Remove the dough from the refrigerator about 2 hours prior to making pizza so the dough can come to room temperature." Hope this helps. Cheers!

I am a pizza pro now.. thanks to this recipe... :)

I made the pizza dough yesterday and planned on using all of it. A few hours later I decided to use the rest of it the next day (today) so I put it in the fridge. I took it out today and its flat and doesn't smell pleasant. Kind of bitter too and sour. Is it still okay to use today?

Hi, I haven't tried this yet but am going to tomorrow, I think. As soon as I buy the pizza stone! So...my question is: can I just use the two types of flours (well, cornmeal isn't really flour, I guess) I have in my cupboard already? I have cornmeal and regular AP flour. Can I substitute the amounts given in the recipe directly? Instead of the semolina flour and bread flour? I plan to do it "properly" in a few weeks for a crowd but I just want to do a test run or two with what I already have at home. Would this work? Also, I may have missed this somewhere but if you don't have a peel, you slide the pizza on parchment paper from the back of the baking tray you assemble it on, on to the pre-heated stone keeping the parchment underneath? Sorry, I should try first, then ask but I just wanted to pre-ask first!:) I want to avoid all disasters if possible!

Hi, I just wanted to check back in and say thanks for the quick response. I bought a smaller round stone from Old Stone Oven today (13in diameter), and used it with a quarter of the recipe of the dough with a rising time of 5 hours at room temp. (other parts of dough in refrigerator rising more for tomorrow). I made the proscuitto and fontina pizza with the second type of sauce. It was good but not fantastic. Probably for 3 reasons: 1. The shortened rising time. 2. Using all AP flour 3. Maybe not pre-heating oven enough? (I did 30 min from cold, not sure if supposed to wait 30 min AFTER oven reaches 450) and also possibly 4. under-seasoning sauce and the smaller diameter meaning too much crust vs filling flavors. Oh and 5) I didn't buy a peel, slid it off wooden cutting board and had a bit of error on the first try. Much more corn meal seemed to solve that problem but still 'shifted' toppings due to first error. Anyway, since I have so much dough left will try again tomorrow with 24hr risen section and compare results. Also found this today which I thought was cool: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pizza.html Confirming that letting dough rise for a day is the way the pros do it! Thanks again. Practice makes perfect, right?:)

Good for you for making notes and understanding where you might have gone wrong. This is how we all improve our cooking. I am sure that the next attempt will be much better. Keep up the good work Gail. Cheers!

Sorry for excessive posting but finished now. Practice makes pretty much perfect and the moral of the story is...if Rouxbe says use bread flour and semolina flour- USE THEM. I made an almost perfect (still need to invest in peel) margarita pizza and am very happy with the result. Thank you again.

Yeah, so happy to hear...keep practicing and you will be a pizza pro in no time :-) Cheers!

When I read the question from the lady who makes her own mozzarella she asked could she use the Whey left instead of plain water. In your response to her question you indicated she could use the whey or milk instead of the plain water. So my question would be could I use whole milk not reduced fat instead of the water listed in the recipe? I can't wait to try this recipe and hopefully can brag about how great my totally homemade pizza was. Thanks for all your time and help with guiding all of us along on our journey to being better cooks.

Thanks Christophe for your answer. I went ahead and made my first bread per video instrudtions yesterday and was very pleased with my first try. I didn't use the milk as I didn't have the answer yet but will give it a go next time and will let you know. Also does the person who was describing how to make the starter for sour dough have the amount of water to flour ratio for each batch as in the first batch then the next days batch after throwing away half of the mixture. I wasn't quite sure how much of each water and flour for the first mixture and so on. I would love to give it a go. Thanks again for the info about milk.

Just wanted to say WOW. For the first time making a dough and following instructions to a T---Everyone that has had a slice of my pizza with this dough all said how much they really enjoyed it. Thank you and look forward to next lesson

Is it true you shouldnt let dough rise in a plastic container? does it affect the rising of the dough? i made this recipe and it tasted delicious but my dough didnt double in size during resting time......here in italy we let dough rise in a warm place under the duvet lol(thats what my nonna used to do) i had never heard about letting it rise in the fridge,i will try that next time :-)

obviously in a bowl not on the sheets :-D

Thankyou :-)

I'm not sure if I didn't knead the dough properly, it is the fact that I only left it to rest for an hour only but I had a tough time shaping it. It would not stretch properly it was a bit tough and had to use a roller to flatten it. Not sure what I did wrong it was delicious though.

I made a new batch for tomorrow leaving this in the fridge overnight. Did the kneading for 10-20 mins not sure wasnt keeping track of time. The dough was still a little bit stick.

I have had the same problem with my dough having too much elasticity. I just did a few experiments and think I have discovered some ways to modify the dough's elasticity. I've been modifying the recipe's ingredients and found that when I omit the olive oil, it becomes tougher to stretch out. The olive oil seems to make the dough much easier to work with. After some research, it makes sense because the oil reduces the effects of the gluten, which in another experiment, I found adding gluten to my flour makes for a very hard and unworkable dough. My test subjects agreed that the olive oil dough was much tastier. Two wins there. I also tried a few batches without kneading the dough. I just mixed it up and put it in the fridge for 1-2 days to develop. It seemed softer and easier to work with then kneaded dough, but didn't seem to look any different than the kneaded dough. It produced a nice chewy crust like the kneaded dough. As far as stickiness, I make my dough a little more on the sticky side and then just flour my board and hands to work with it. I've always had to adjust the hydration of my bread doughs because I live at a higher altitude and in a desert; winters are especially dry. More hydration also makes for a softer dough. I try to let it stay as wet as I can because I notice it creates a more open crust (bubbles) kind of like a ciabatta, which I like in my crust. I used to have difficulty getting it into the oven until I started using parchment paper under it. I now have no problem transferring it to my stone in the oven. I take a 14 inch square piece of parchment, fold and cut it (like those paper snowflakes) to make a round paper just the right size for a large pizza. It doesn't seem to interfere with the cooking process on the stone either.

Thanks for the tips Daniel, will try to add a bit more olive oil next time. Should I add a little bit more water?

I used a blend of unbleached all purpose flour and wheat bran...cooked up some mild Italian sausage and put them on with peppers and what a different taste...I've been using this flour for buns or bread but it gives the pizza another level of taste. A very easy recipe to make and will be making it more often now. I love these courses and I'm always learning something new...Thanks Rouxbe!!

how long should I soak my pizza stone Dawn?

Just ignore my question Dawn, I read Leigh's comment and your response to it. Pardon my impatience, thanks anyway.

I feel I am stoned with those stony exchanges of experiences about the pizza stone. I will just stick to the instruction from the video on baking steps then as I did the first time I let the stone cool in my oven, scrape the mess afterwards then use it again as instructed in the video lesson. If my stone cracks its ok, as long as my head and my sanity doesn't.

Ramon, Another couple of years experience and another couple of years of reading have brought me to the following points re: The Care and Feeding of Pizza Stones a) Should the stone be pre-soaked? No. Pizza Stones should be bone dry when used, NOT pre-soaked. I am not sure where the idea of pre-soaking came from, but it can (and often will) cause your stone to crack because of the uneven distribution of superheated steam in the stone as it heats. I suspect the confusion may come from clay-bakers (such as "Romertopf") which do require pre-soaking. I am quite sure that clay-bakers are made from a different material, using a different process. b) Should the stone be pre-heated? Pampered Chef still insists that their stoneware should NOT be pre-heated, and warn that pre-heating the stone will void their warranty... but they are taking a lot of flak for that. Most reviewers feel that not pre-heating the stone totally defeats the purpose of cooking pizza on a stone. I agree. The advise of most commentators is to look elsewhere, and find a manufacturer that actually instructs purchasers to pre-heat the stone. (In reality, most do! Pampered Chef seems to be the only one that doesn't) I bought my Pampered Chef stone over 15 yrs ago and followed their instructions to the letter. As instructed by them, I would put frozen pizza on the cold stone (sprinkled with corn flour), and put the whole thing in a pre-heated oven. The pizza's came out 25 minutes later with a nice crispy crust, and the stone survived just fine. I have also cooked focaccia bread, spanikopita, cookies, and other hors d'oeuvres, with great results. No complaints from me. Months ago, I jumped on the bandwagon and began pre-heating my stone. I stick the stone on the bottom rack, crank up the oven to 550 degrees and leave at that temperature for at least a half-hour after the temperature is reached, before slipping my pizza on to it. (hence, the need for a pizza peel.. it is 'hot' in there... and using a peel just makes the whole experience seem so authentic!). I have not tried a frozen pizza, (Why would I? Pre-packaged pizza is now a thing of the past for us!) but from the comments I have read, it should also yield great results. c} Cleaning? Don't waste your time trying to keep your stone looking "like new." It is going to look ugly for awhile, Get used to it! It will initially be very blotchy, but will eventually become a beautiful deep brown, essentially non-stick, surface. In 15 years, I have never used anything but hot water and a clean dishcloth or plastic scraper on the surface. Unless something has backed on to the surface, I often don't even get it wet. I just dust it, or scrape it. I have never had to soak it, or use baking soda, or salt or anything else on it. NEVER use soap on it. At the temperatures used, you really don't need to worry about bacteria being transmitted. (Another advantage of pre-heating the stone) d) Storage? I keep mine on the bottom rack of the oven almost all the time -- even when using the oven for other purposes. Some even keep it in the oven when using the self-cleaning cycle. I don't. It just seems like another futile effort to try get the stone back to new condition. Let it age gracefully! I am not worried about how the self-ckean will affect the stone, but I do wonder about how having the stone in there might affect the self-cleaning of my oven.)

A long but well grounded response, pardon my brief but sincerest thank you.

Just a heads up that in the recipe it calls for 3 1/4 cups of bread flour, although in brackets is says 400 g. I actually added all this flour before I realised.

Doh! Yeah I know. 400g is 3 and 1/4 cups. But I did find using the cup measurements for this recipe, the dough was not sticky at all. In any event my dough did not rise well and I'm not sure why. Still delicious though.

There could be several reasons why the dough did not rise well. Perhaps the yeast you used was dead, too hot etc. It could also be that your measurements were off a bit. Weighing ingredients when it comes to things like making dough is generally much more accurate and consistent then using measuring cups or measuring spoons. I would suggest that you try it again and the next time perhaps start by using a bit less flour (if you are not using a scale) and then add more if needed. Hope that helps. Cheers!

I have been struggling with making a great pizza for a long time. I have tried several dough recipes and store bought nothing was ever great. Always too thick and either over dense or too bready. I had even tried this dough recipe and was unable to get the desired number of toppings on a super thin crust to transfer to the stone without tearing or getting totally messed up. I finally tried parchment and it worked perfectly. I was able to cut it to fit my stone and roll the dough out on the parchment and then place toppings. Transferring to the stone from a peel with the parchment underneath was very easy and I avoided the cornmeal bits all over my oven floor. It came out totally fantastic. Plus you can construct another pizza on parchment while the first is cooking without needing an extra peel.

I don't know... obviously this worked for you, but somehow it seems like having a layer of parchment between the pizza and the stone would sort of defeat the purpose of the stone. I find it surprising that it worked. Was your crust nice and crisp and toasty?

Yes it came out very nice and crispy and golden. I'm not sure that parchment is thick enough to insulate much when used in conjunction with such a high heat source and stone. I guess it could be removed after the crust sets. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the stone is acting as a stable source of conductive heat to rapidly heat / cook the crust. So I'm not sure that the surface interaction is really necessary as long as it doesn't introduce some detrimental effect (I'm thinking along the lines of moisture collection which could make the crust soggy). In fact isn't the pizza supposed to sit on a cushion of cornmeal when used in the traditional manner? I'd be interested to hear of others have tried parchment with success (or failure).

In the video your dough rises quite a lot. If mine does not rise and fill the bowl is that a sign of bad yeast or...?

Hard to say exactly why your dough did not rise a lot. It could be the yeas is old, it could have been the temperature of the water, the room, how long it left to rise, where it was left to rise etc. I guess that the beauty of bread/dough making, there are always so many variables to keep things exciting :-)

Thanks for the comments Dawn. I will keep plugging away and try some different variations.

The comment of using parchment paper to transfer dough to peel and then stone sounds great. My question is ...when pizza is cooked can it be easily removed from parchment paper without sticking? or my other option is: I have a perforated pizza tray which I have not used as of yet. could I bake pizza off in this placed directly on a pizza stone? Should I bake off in center or lower half of oven? Looking forward to my first attempt...

"... could I bake pizza off in this placed directly on a pizza stone" My short answer is "probably, but why would you?" Either just use the perforated pizza tray directly on a rack, or put your pizza dough directly on the stone (with some corn meal to act like ball-bearings) I have used the latter method for years and each use only makes my stone better! I'd also be a little concerned about having a metal tray directly on the stone as the variances in heat between the stone and the metal could cause it the stone to crack.

LOL. Good pointers. I suppose I will try each method independently. and compare results.

I have not had any issues extracting the pizza from the parchment after baking. In fact I usually roll out the dough on the parchment so it's pretty glued on there when it first goes in the oven. When the crust sets it pops right off. You can size it so it doesn't burn by cutting out a square of parchment, folding it in half, then make additional folds, and then cutting off the excess (like the pie tin lining instruction) .Yes I know parchment is cheating; I'm not above cheating if I can get some good pizza. :)

Lol...yes parchment does sound like an easy approach and also an easy cleanup..Thank you both for your input on two different methods..looking forward to baking my first pizza...

Oh my! Growing up in an Italian household, my dad always had me make the pizza dough cuz he said I made the best... but THIS, I would have never thought of adding the semolina flour!! I cannot wait to try this out! And yes, definitely less is more. And we actually like "white pizza's" around here :) ..... going to try out some white bean sauces to put on top too. Thanks you guys... I am so LOVING this site!

I have kneaded the dough and portioned into 2 rounds as per video. I have it in the fridge to ferment overnight. My question is in order to make a large pie (pizzeria size) . what portion size should I be using tomorrow when ready to shape?

This does help. Looking forward to baking this.Thank you Ken.

I am planning to make this and I am planning to use my cast iron griddle in lieu of a pizza stone. Are the temperature (450 degrees) and times (30 minutes) the same or different?

The temperature and times are really just estimates, whether using a pizza stone or a cast iron griddle. Ideally the oven should be as hot as possible. Pizzerias cook their pizzas in 900* ovens. As for how long it will take to pre-heat a cast iron skillet, it will likely be around that time, but again, it's sort of just an estimation. The one thing that will likely vary, is the time it will take for the cast iron griddle to cool down. Cast iron tends to maintain and retain heat quite well, so it will stay hot for quite a while. Hope that helps Geni. Cheers!

Should the dough have some elasticity after kneading? I let my dough rise in the fridge and it doubled in size and put out to get it to room temp when I came to divide and shape it was tough and tearing. Any idea what went wrong? I used scales and precise measurements ap flour and samonila not sure where I went wrong. Help

I followed printed recipe but after kneading the dough.. It is rough not smooth.. Also consistency is so dry. Compared to the bread dough. I would hate to throw it out.. So I will proof it to see what happens

Great tips. Thanks Christophe

Any other tips on kneading? like for how long? I want to make sure I knead it for the right amount of time but not over knead so that its tough

The video says to knead the dough for 5 to 7 minutes, or until soft, but really you can go even longer then that if you like — just know that it is really hard to over knead dough, so don't be afraid to knead it well. You should be able to feel the difference from when you first start — it will be rougher and harder, and then afterwards it will be softer and more pliable. This is where practicing and becoming more comfortable with the dough will really help. You may also want to review the video again — if you haven't already. Hope that helps. Cheers!

I am presently shopping for a food processor. I would like to know if the kneading attachment would be useful for kneading: 1) Pizza dough 2) Laminated pasta dough 3) Bread ..

Around here, I really do not have much choice when it comes to flour (they offer unbleached all-purpose white flour, self-rising white flour and whole-grain wheat flour; all the rest comes in pre-made cookie/brownie/muffin/cake/bread/pizza dough boxes - the Dutch don't seem to be very fond of making their breads/pastries from scratch). Anyway, after doing some research, I realized that *semolina flour* might actually be finely ground *wheat grits* or *wheat groats* (weizengrieß in German), which I have at home for making porridges anyway. So I simply filled up my coffee grinder with the coarse wheat grits and ground it up to a preferred consistency (something comparable to the flour used in Rouxbe video and whatever photo material google search had to offer on the topic), then measured it according to the recipe. It worked like a charm! The only tricky thing is sharing this secret ingredient with the curious Dutch asking for the recipe during dinner parties, heh ;).

I think you should spend more time talking about transferring the pizza to the stone in the oven. I have had two recent misfortunes in this area. I have used copious amounts of corn meal, but the pizza still wants to stick to the peel. By the way, using all that corn meal leaves the oven in a mess with all the blackened corn meal granuals dropping to the bottom. The first time I tried it with a wood peel and managed to get it into the oven but, because of the blunt edge on the peel, getting it out trashed the pizza. I then bought an aluminum peel and even sharpened the edge with a grinder. it took a lot of finese to get it under the stretched out dough. I then built the pizza and when it came time to slide it on the stone, the damn thing would not leave the peel. instead all the toppings came off and i now have an oven cleaning job ahead of me when I should be enjoying a great pizza. Before I buy a larger wooden peel, which will make me the proud owner of 3 peels, do you have any suggestions?

Thanks for your quick response. I agree that sliding the raw pizza in and out of the oven is NOT worth the fight. Reading the comments (there must be 100 or so on this topic) was very informative and ended up saving the day. I also Googled the subject and found that there were as many techniques as there were entries. Someone even suggested blowing a pocket of air under the laid out unbaked pizza; and using a straw to do this if necessary. Everyone seems to have their own solution. Folks either have absolutely no problem getting the pizza in and out of the oven or they run into all sorts of trouble as I did. Well, I ended up using a wooden rolling pin, sparingly mind you, to facilitate coming up with my super thin crust and parchment paper to get the whole masterpiece in and out of the oven and onto a serving plate vs. the bottom of the oven. I know this may be considered cheating by some of you purists, but it worked like a charm and made it so easy that the peel and stone, along with a 500 degree oven, are now my best friends. After cleaning the oven of crusted pizza toppings from previous attempts, I made 4 spectacular pizzas in record time. I don't how they could have tasted any better. Oh yea, there is a lot less cursing in the kitchen now and no mess to clean up. My thanks to the Rouxbe comments section. Jeff

Now THAT discovery is worth a few ruined pizzas! Thanks for the informative and encouraging follow-up.

Thanks for your note Leigh. As a footnote, I made friends with the manager of one of the best pizza joints in my area. They have been around for years. They do a super job on pizzas and have a nice thin crust, which I prefer. My new friend confided that they use wood rollers all the time to spread out their dough quickly and that for $4.00 each he would sell me enough room temperature ready to go dough balls to make 16" pizzas. I tried one the other day and it is a great solution if you are in a hurry and have to make a bunch of pizzas for the weekend football crowd.

Mmmm! Commercial quality Pizza dough...that is exactly what I want to learn to make. Why can't I make Pizza dough that behaves like Pizza Parlor dough! I watch these kids twirl and toss this stuff with great envy. Like this guy at Pizza Pizza in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGDUmGlMJzU

I've made many gluten full and gluten free pizza doughs recently. Some with baking soda or yeast or xantha gum and/or with psyllium husk. Does Rouxbe, or any of the members here have a successful dough recipe that would mimic the real flour one described here?

Help!!!! I made my dough about 5:30 last night. Put it in the fridge and had tea then about 8 I went to bed. Got up this morning and when I looked at my dough It had hardly reason. I couldn't believe my eyes. Then I watched Rouxbe video on gluten and I realized that I didn't knead it enough. So what I did is I took it out of the fridge and am leaving it there until its workable.(my dad says it looks like snail though it is white).

Please answer me real quick cause I promised my folks that I would cook them pizza tonight!!!!!!!!!

Any help… The dough felt and looked smooth(I think???)

Angela, sorry that no one has noticed your plea for help yet, and it is obvious that my response is much too late... I hope things worked out for you, or did you end up calling Domino's? All I can offer is some advice for next time: 1. The dough will not rise much in the fridge. You can safely leave it overnight like you did, but you do want to remove it from the fridge and allow it to sit at room temperature for about 3 hours before using it. (Allow it to double in size once it is back to room temperature) 2. Once risen, punch it down (which always seems like a weird thing to do to me - but it is all part of the gluten development) and begin to shape your dough. 3. If your dough doesn't want to hold it's shape, leave it flattened and let it rest (covered with plastic wrap) which will allow the gluten fibres to relax. You will find the dough much easier to work once it has rested. 4. Don't give up.. try again next week. The fact that the dough looked and felt smooth is a pretty good indication that you did things right!

Sorry that no one has responded to your plea for help yet, and I am sure the moment of need has passed by now, but maybe for next time. One possibility is that your yeast was dead. Easy enough to check. Just add a tsp to some warm water and a little sugar. Give it 10 minutes and it should foam up and look "alive". The main thing is, don't give up. Try again, and see if you can determine what went wrong. Experience (both good and bad) is your best source of learning... especially when making dough!

My apologies, I couldn't find yesterday's reply, so I sort of repeated myself. Once I posted the second message, the first showed up, and I can't delete either message. Now I look like an idiot. Oh well, hopefully at least one of my replies will be helpful...

Hi Leigh No I didn't ring Domino's!! The pizza turned out all right in the end. Thanks for your reply I'll keep that in mind next time.

Hey, I have a couple of questions related pizza and bread making in general. 1) Does it make a difference if you dissolve the instant dry yeast in water? Or, is it enough to just throw it with the flour? 2) With pizza, what is the "tell" when the dough is ready when using a stand mixer? Do you have any general tips on using stand mixers? Best, Yuseph

That's a good tip. I made pizza dough using a mixer for the first time. While messy, my handmade ones turned out better. I think just throwing in the yeast with the flour was a mistake.

Good afternoon! Would applesauce or chia seed slurry work as an acceptable replacement for the oil for this pizza dough recipe? I want to make homemade vegan pizza snack for a family member who has to remove oil from their diet.

Jennifer, In my mind, you could probably just leave the oil out of the dough, following a recipe more like basic bread dough. Or, you may want to try using some ideas from this Rouxbe recipe for Cauliflower Pizza which is gluten free and oil free. http://rouxbe.com/recipes/5482/text?tab=recipes

Thanks Leigh and Ken. Omission worked. I made a couple of other adjustments to make it a whole-grain dough and it was a great success!

If I want to make triple the pizzas should I just multiply quantities by 3?

Hi Jorge, for best results, I would recommend making the recipe 3 times, as opposed to multiplying it by 3. When it comes to doughs, some ingredients need to be adjusted in the scaling process, and though it can be done, it may take some practice to get it right. The other issue comes with kneading... 3x the dough could be a bit difficult and overwhelming to handle all at once. Cheers, Sandy

Understood... many thanks

What causes the pizza dough to be elastic vs extensible? Many times I have stretched out the dough only to have it quickly shrink back to a smaller size. Too much gluten development? Not enough gluten development? Something else?

Hi Stirling, Thank you for your question. Gluten development is, indeed, what gives the pizza dough its elasticity and structure, which is necessary so that it will hold together in the stretching process. If it is giving you too much trouble, allow it to rest for a bit longer to relax the gluten strands and make it more pliable. I hope that helps you out! Cheers, Sandy

Hello Rouxbe, I am planning on making fresh Peach Hand Pies from the Forks (Over Knives) Meal Planner. One of the ingredients is whole-wheat pizza dough (10 oz.) which will make 4 servings. I am hoping to use this basic pizza dough recipe. Do you know how many ounces of pizza dough this makes? Also, since I don't have semolina flour or bread flour, will AP flour still work for the recipe? Thank you for your time.

Hi Hanna, this recipe makes approximately 24oz. so, a bit over double what you need. All purpose flour will definitely work for this recipe, though the texture and flavor will be slightly altered (but still delicious!). Cheers, Sandy

Can you use 00 flour in place of the bread flour?