— Ted Kowalczyk

Yeah. No, I've right again if it were if we were speaking about a rational system, right? That was that was trying to sustain itself. That is so correct. We just have to realize right those are not the larger priorities of society. And so clearly individuals right can have those priorities but we also have to remember that there's a larger systemic issues that that are there and again those priorities right could become those of society at large right the the speaking about these topics the mobilizing around these topics and in addition to right The various economic crises that were beginning to see happen around the difficult of the skyrocketing price of food because of oil because of all these other factors right show the unsustainability of it. And this is the time I think to begin to uplift those other projects those other ways that that are that are occurring On to show that yeah, this is extremely viable alternative alternative. And it is personally and again this goes back to Susan's thing about plant right being plant-based and and consciously about people's diet and I work hard to be plant-based. But of course, I as someone who also right knows yeah struggles with it in a variety of ways. It becomes very difficult, but one has to right think about that, but also think that this is also about larger structures, so it's not just about individual choice.